Writing after a long time (sic) !! So,basically this post is the result of a huge discussion that took place on a social networking website. Some views clashed, swords were thrown in, and suddenly everyone was at war. The ‘corruption’ issue has taken a whole new meaning in India as of today. Mr. Hazare, with his ‘Gandhian- type’ inspired millions of youngsters. While some believe that Mr, Hazare’s views are politically motivated, others feel proud of him and stand by him in huge numbers. Anna Hazare ji has been followed by Baba Ramdev, the famous yoga son of rural india, who has made an immediate mark and seen a rise in his popularity across all sectors in the recent years.
Coming back to the finer details of this post,I initiated a discussion on Baba Ramdev, what followed is nothing short of an awesome read!! 😉
( Meanwhile, I negotiated and kept up the momentum, by occasionally expressing ‘my views’ and steering the discussion forward)
Read On!
Status: This whole Baba Ramdev fast against corruption is utter shit!
He wants to abolish currency notes of 500 n 1000, give death penalty in corruption cases.. Completely Insane! Better put up a morcha ‘against’ the immoral baba, ‘with’ the govt!
And here we go!! Humor, Action, Intensity, xxx (yea,,the unwritten word!) , you name it..and here it is..all of it..in this discussion!!
Dhwani Sehgal probably d notes thing is not right. But he’s not immoral! Ure crazy kya?!
Sahil Batra he’s a lunatic , trying 2 b anna .
Manvir Singh Anand ”There is No problem spending 25 cr to get back 4L Cr” – Mr. Ramdev on His “5 Star” Wedding Facilities! But not ready to answer from where the Money came from for this. #SmartBaba ..Haha
Akshay Chaturvedi— Dhwani,..he calls homosexuals “mentally disturbed”, and all the actresses as immoral women…. anything else ??
Akshay Chaturvedi Manvir Singh Anand ….isse better he can just ask his followers to not engage in corruption..its all politically motivated.
Akshay Chaturvedi and the new shit is that : ANNA HAZARE joins him!
Manvir Singh Anand He’s Basically a Person with Political Ambition, Mr. Hazare and Ramdev are focusing upon encashing his Lakhs of Followers!
Imagine a people’s Corruption bill being discussed in a 5 Star hotel(Claridges), what a Gandian philosphy is that … Haha ..lol!
Ramdev seems to be telling us @AapChutiyeHain …lol 😉
Akshay Chaturvedi ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!!!
Akshay Chaturvedi Samajh nahin aata why do a million people come up at his so called clarion call…. are we Indian such big fools ??
An Malik its d face value…. works in every scenario…. moreover whatever he has proposed, some of them are very valid debatable issues… well if 500-1000 currency notes are abolished then it definitely would be tough to keep “black” cash at home for smaller players (not the swiss ban holders)… i am not backing him but all i say is these are debatable issues….
Akshay Chaturvedi anshul…. but mr than corruption,if those notes r nt a part of our currency,its the common man who is gng to suffer,infact,the entire financial services sector,mr than that..retail sectors,banks… i mean..how can it be?
Akshay Chaturvedi plus,dun forget, “death penalty for engaging in corruption” .. i mean.. lol! pagalpana hai yeh.
An Malik i believe cutting down on big currency notes would promote use of cheques nd plastic money…. though i do not have figures and this is my personal opinion but still the average ticket size of transaction (if i consider all cash transactions by “common man”) is not that huge that he/she needs 500-1000 rs notes and cannot do with 100 rs notes… such things are for huge cash transactions..
Abhishek Arora baba ko bolo sirf yoga kraaao aur ghr jao …zyda mat socho 😛
Akshay Chaturvedi tell me something if one man stands for something even if those demands are LITTLE insane is he wrong??? corruptions is wrong. if our country provided us and corruption had not crept in the system, the socialist model of india would have survived. he has his political ideology like anti-homosexuality but remember tha fact that he is rising for corruption not banning homosexuality. i know he is illogical and illiterate but we need a revolution of this kind in india now. you know if all that money comes to india india would become a devloped country. see he has his political agenda no doubt abt it…. but at least he is bringing some money back
Apurav Maggu congress hides under the vel of DTAA(doublt taxation avoidance agreement
Apurav Maggu which is nothing but a way to avoid double tax. nowhere in the treaty it says that u need a legal framework to bring a all black money back.
Apurav Maggu various economists and lawyer verappa moily cannot establish a legal economic channel to bring back money then i think that they are intellectualls on the face of it. nothing else than that
Apurav Maggu that is why even if ramdev is sham at least it prooves that we are not dumb and collectivise into a mass and cause a revolution :)))
Akshay Chaturvedi apurav..i am in complete agreement. I get the point. The baba is sham allright,but we nd to look at the bigger issue : ))
Akshay Chaturvedi anshul..yea,plastic money wl be used,agreed. But what abt the inter retail transactions… currency’s motive was also ‘storage’ ,it might make it very cumbersome..difficult to imagine things without it,bt agreed,if they cn cm up wd a better alternative,its a win win situation.
Akshay Chaturvedi abhishek.. bhai yoga hum sikha lete hain tab tak ; )
Dhwani Sehgal apurav- dude. He’s not illiterate. He’s very much literate. One more thing, he has an opinion on homosexuality. Callin someone, whose opinion doesnt match with ours, an ‘illogical’ person is immature. He has freedom of choice. That was for u too AKSHAY. Same thing for the ‘movie actresses issue’ too. He just has a point of VIEW
Dhwani Sehgal n akshay, why’re u gettin all heated up with d death penalty for corruption? Influential ppl (eg ramalinga raju) moonwalk outta the jail using their tricks! Is there a way to stop these bastards. Saale corruption ki waja se andar jate hain aur corruption se hi jail se bahar nikal lete hain. Corruption is at every bloody level of hierarchy. Kare toh kya kare! Kill d bastards!
Akshay Chaturvedi
dhwani.. one,that shudn be coming frm u..i hope u r sayn all that after hearing what he says abt ur gender! U cl it a ‘view’ .. rofl!
Secondly..thnk abt wt u r sayn,corruption is at every level… small or big.. baba ramdev and all his followers must have engaged in it at sm level. Sorry..bt for sure, ur parents must hv also engaged in it a bit…. at whateva level,sml or big. And I say this for all our parents. Would you kill them for this? Soch ke toh bol kam se kam..do u undrstnd wt tkn a life means
Secondly..thnk abt wt u r sayn,corruption is at every level… small or big.. baba ramdev and all his followers must have engaged in it at sm level. Sorry..bt for sure, ur parents must hv also engaged in it a bit…. at whateva level,sml or big. And I say this for all our parents. Would you kill them for this? Soch ke toh bol kam se kam..do u undrstnd wt tkn a life means
Akshay Chaturvedi and and and… m literally laughn at ur view wala point! Tere according toh puri porn industry aur prostitution bhi right hoga phir? Kyunki woh bhi kisi ki ‘view’ hai.. infact,billions ki view hai,globally,who run it..who sell girls for sex. View hai, right ho ya wrong, hamein kya karna hai. Right dhwani?
Akshay Chaturvedi PS Think before you say things re. That view,whch baba has, is disgusting to the core. I wud for once,agree by what Apurav is sayn,but dhwani,i mean..what to say. He is sick in mind,n that makes him illiterate, wteva he mite have done.
Dhwani Sehgal One. when we punish someone, the degree of punishment shud reflect the degree of offence. Mai soch k hi bol ri hun. Law makers bevkoof nai hain ki chhoti mistakes k liye death penalty. But the ppl who suck the blood outta d masses. The result of ignoring it is in front of us. India’s one d most corrupt countries in d world. U stil think lenience wil make things any better?
Dhwani Sehgal Two. U sed he called actresses immoral. ‘Actresses’ doesnt imply d entire ‘female community’.
N well. To add. In my opinion also, 90% film industry ppl are sluts (guys n girls, both). Though i love their movies. But loving their movies doesnt change the truth. The kinda shitty lives they live! There’s a reason why our parents wunt like d idea of us joinin bollywood.
N well. To add. In my opinion also, 90% film industry ppl are sluts (guys n girls, both). Though i love their movies. But loving their movies doesnt change the truth. The kinda shitty lives they live! There’s a reason why our parents wunt like d idea of us joinin bollywood.
Dhwani Sehgal
Do u know the history of acting profession? Where it all started? The early actresses were all prostitutes in reality. Yes, real prostitutes started acting in movies n gave rise to what we now gate today. N the kind of (so called modern) lifestyle today’s actors n actresses have but is not very different from the kind that those prostitutes had. Bhai. SPREADING CREAM on GOBAR doesnt give u BLACKFOREST CAKE!!!
Do we even know the real meanin of modern? Modern n advanced is not cheap. Real modernity is rare.
Do we even know the real meanin of modern? Modern n advanced is not cheap. Real modernity is rare.
Dhwani Sehgal
Third. I was just tryin to open up things for u.
Well u and i dont agree with the porn industry. But those girls hav all the reasons to justify it.
Similarly, u hav one opinion on homosexuality, he has another.
These are sensitive debatable issues. Ppl hav diff opinions. But callin the other person illiterate isnt enough to prove ur opinion. Well, i think, as far as these issues are concerned, seriously nothin is enough for that matter. Debatable stuff.
Well u and i dont agree with the porn industry. But those girls hav all the reasons to justify it.
Similarly, u hav one opinion on homosexuality, he has another.
These are sensitive debatable issues. Ppl hav diff opinions. But callin the other person illiterate isnt enough to prove ur opinion. Well, i think, as far as these issues are concerned, seriously nothin is enough for that matter. Debatable stuff.
Akshay Chaturvedi dhwani,unbelievable yaar. Okay,corruption is a big problem,we all agree,bt uske liye kisi ki jaan le legi kya? M sorry,bt wteva u mite say, u dun rly undrstnd the meaning of ‘life’..
Dhwani Sehgal Last. I’m not pro baba. M not anti baba. But m anti corruption, whosoever indulges in it. Thats my stand. N i dont think i need to completely agree with him or completely agree with u to take my stand.
Akshay Chaturvedi I just cnt blv u r sayn all that after coming from springdales..after cmn frm du. Very very small thnkn dhwani. Unblvbl. Acrtresses are nt prostitutes,its a profession…they are smbdy’s mother,smbdy’s wife.. m so terbly disapntd wd u today. dun have words..
Akshay Chaturvedi modelling..acting…they are nt prostitution! thats so terbly sick!!
Dhwani Sehgal
’bhavnao ko samjho’- suna hai kabhi.
Yaar jo log 1000s of crores ki property leke baithe hain, millions of bucks in the diff tax havens. If u think their life is really imp, toh tu bacha liyo yaar unko. Shayad unki waja se hi v hav to pay higher taxes, which gets wasted on their luxuries, their children’s royal weddings. We hav to make our monthly budgets, we dont fulfil our ‘needs’ n giv our hard earned money so that they can fulfil their ‘desires’. Ha ha ha! U really love their life na? Jake kissie karde unhe! 😀 😀
Yaar jo log 1000s of crores ki property leke baithe hain, millions of bucks in the diff tax havens. If u think their life is really imp, toh tu bacha liyo yaar unko. Shayad unki waja se hi v hav to pay higher taxes, which gets wasted on their luxuries, their children’s royal weddings. We hav to make our monthly budgets, we dont fulfil our ‘needs’ n giv our hard earned money so that they can fulfil their ‘desires’. Ha ha ha! U really love their life na? Jake kissie karde unhe! 😀 😀
Akshay Chaturvedi dhwani..get ur facts clear yaar!! koi ladki marzi se……u r a gal,for God’s sake..
Wud u judge a gal by her clothes.. great,join those disgusting people..who says girls invite rape by what they wear?? sick,sick,sick!!
Wud u judge a gal by her clothes.. great,join those disgusting people..who says girls invite rape by what they wear?? sick,sick,sick!!
Dhwani Sehgal
ye somebody’s mother, somebody’s daughter wala dialogue movies mein hi acha lagta hai akshay.
‘acting’ ‘modellin’ is not prostitution. I did not ever ever say that! I was talkin abt their lifestyle. One night stand kya hota hai akshay? Bohot cultured log karte hain na ye? Pehle wo pros THI. aj Pros wali HARKATE karte hain. Males n females both.
Welcome to reality. Acting n modellin ki Definitions se bahar nikal k sachai dekh.
‘acting’ ‘modellin’ is not prostitution. I did not ever ever say that! I was talkin abt their lifestyle. One night stand kya hota hai akshay? Bohot cultured log karte hain na ye? Pehle wo pros THI. aj Pros wali HARKATE karte hain. Males n females both.
Welcome to reality. Acting n modellin ki Definitions se bahar nikal k sachai dekh.
Akshay Chaturvedi corruption is at all levels..why r u just tokn abt the rich.. u,dhwani sehgal,wud hv dn enough corruptn in these three years…i say it for all of us.. death penalty,u r surely kidding me!
Akshay Chaturvedi din wana say ths dhwani, bt u hv forced me to. By what standards u r defaming acting,the same thng, at much bigger levels,happens in corporate world.. u r joining pwc , right??
u knw the cases of that firm??
Dhwani Sehgal hello? akshay?? Did i say wearin clothes invites rape? Did i say a girl shud be judged by her clothes? No i did not.I just said that ppl shud be judged BY WHAT THEY DO. DO, not what they WEAR. Getit? N yes, they do cheap stuff.
Dhwani Sehgal get this clear. i AM NOT DEFAMIN ACTING, THE PROFESSION. M DEFAMIN THE ACTIONS OF MOST(NOT ALL) ACTORS.
Akshay Chaturvedi first thing,itni corruption ki baat kar rahi hai..n specially wen u mentioned ramalinga raju… pwc mein sab chor the,auditors,like u. Mat kar na phir join.. why r u doing it?
Akshay Chaturvedi no dhwani,read wt u said. u dun change the truth by shouting : )) .
jisko tum slutty bol rahe ho,that hapns at ur firm too, so shud a lesser knwn person generalise u too? to be one of them? wud u like being cld what u r calling other women??
Akshay Chaturvedi they do cheap stuff? oh wow,how do u knw? u stay wd them kya?
OR DO U BLV SM STUPID MAGAZINE! WHR PEOPLE TOK BEHIND BACK!! Dun forget that tere bhi piche log baatein karenge dhwani. U may reach a high position,n may pick up someone at ur firm,and promote him,by merit. Jo 50 log nai promote honge,the jealous souls wl say u took sexual favours. Sahi hoga yeh?
Akshay Chaturvedi and ths m sayn abt one firm. Acting is huge,vahan 5 nai,5 lakh munh khulte hain aise… and then that reaches people like you..
Akshay Chaturvedi Hope u think calmly and realise that the same thing can happen to you….i wl be hurt if it does,coz i knw u,but the whole world wun dhwani, they dun knw u, sab apna matlab dekhenge.
Dhwani Sehgal
1st. M not an auditor :p
2nd. Waha sab auditors chor the iska ye matlab nai ki mai bhi chor hun.
3rd. Maybe some other meanin got conveyed to u. But m not generalisin actors. Nor m i tryin to demean acting. But yaar pata toh tujhe bhi kaun kya karta hai. No use arguing. U also know what happens where n i also know 🙂
4th. I think ure really pissed off with baba. U’v made a certain image of him, beyond which u cant see. N cuz i called his opinion an opinion, ure opposed to everythin i say. Think abt it 🙂
2nd. Waha sab auditors chor the iska ye matlab nai ki mai bhi chor hun.
3rd. Maybe some other meanin got conveyed to u. But m not generalisin actors. Nor m i tryin to demean acting. But yaar pata toh tujhe bhi kaun kya karta hai. No use arguing. U also know what happens where n i also know 🙂
4th. I think ure really pissed off with baba. U’v made a certain image of him, beyond which u cant see. N cuz i called his opinion an opinion, ure opposed to everythin i say. Think abt it 🙂
Dhwani Sehgal if somethin like casting couch comes my way akshay, i’l do anythin but not give in to that shit. Thats me.
Akshay Chaturvedi NO LIVING WOMEN, WHATEVER THE CULTURE,WHATEVER THE BACKGROUND, WILL GIVE UP HERSELF!! Mst of the people u r grouping up, “are forced” and ek negligible portion or exceptns ke basis pe u just cnt indignify any woman..whoever she may be!
Dhwani Sehgal so what defines u is ur actions, not ur profession. That is what i was saying. From start to end.
Dhwani Sehgal ’are forced’? Right. Sure. Dont give that shit to me. If they’r forced, its rape. If u get urself raped, its not forced. Its ur choice. How u want to climb the ladder. By merit or thru d use of ur body.
Akshay Chaturvedi dhwani, thats me tu bol rahi hai. Duniya nai bolegi wen u put one person above the other.. auditor ho ya ceo,log bakwas karenge hi karenge.
its nt abt the baba,its abt u.. no use sayn u r hnst..actresses also say..bt if u,blvn on stories,wud say that, toh dhyan rakhna,one day, life may hit u bk the same way,wteva u mite be…. ppl wl defame you too.
Dhwani Sehgal AND. I was not talkin abt casting couch akshay. I was talkin abt their lifestyle.. Also, im talkin abt both actors n actresses, not just ‘women’. Why are u givin things ur own meanin when i dint even say it?
Akshay Chaturvedi dhwani,i guess,i cnt change ur line of thought, hope u undrstand one day. If u read all u hv said,u wl realise wt u have said
Dhwani Sehgal bhai celebrities toh khud sunate hain apni kahani. Story ki baat kaun kar raha hai.
Akshay Chaturvedi haha,dhwani,u r changing statements.. well,just an advice, apni soch ko badlo. Achai mein believe karo. God bless you : )
Dhwani Sehgal i’v written all of that in my senses akshay. Before writing, i thot it over twice. No review reqd! 😛
Akshay Chaturvedi bas meri maa,mere exams bache hain! 😀
one last thng,please do not disrespect any woman(or man) , whom u personally don’t know and are’nt dead sure about. Thanks : )
Dhwani Sehgal dude. Jab koi television pe apne baare mein bata raha ho, usko bhi believe na karun?
Dhwani Sehgal (mere bhi exams bache hain yaar)
Akshay Chaturvedi
arre dhwani,look,i havn got anythn agnst u. Its just that our line of thought differs,lets leave it at that : )
I have known you for ten years :), and know that you come from a great value system and a well brought up,cultured girl 🙂
Like i have always told you,i deeply admire n respect your father… I undrstnd ur point, nw lets get ova it 🙂 God bless you n m sure ur values will always help you achieve great heights in life 🙂
Akshay Chaturvedi Life is too small. Enjoy!! Its cmpltly perfect to have different views. I respect yours,bt i have mine :),n nuthn personal ‘at all’ . God bless you 🙂
Dhwani Sehgal i know ther was nothin personal. I know u that much! 😀
Thats what i was also sayin. Ppl hav diff views..:)
Thats what i was also sayin. Ppl hav diff views..:)
Arushi Srivastava
ohk aftr goin thru d status and all d comments i kinda forgt wat d status exactly ws.. 😛 nyways b4 i comment nythin its my opinion im giving and dnt wish 2 offend ny1’s views or opinions…
1. the whl death penalty 4 corruption is no way 2 kill corruption… i think if ur givin death penalty it’s gonna b 2 a vry high profile corruption case n den corruption is so huge dat eventually it’l find a way around d death penalty also…so its srsly nt gonna b much help.. n death penalty is no solution 2 corruption dats sumthin dat evry1 needs 2 wrk on 4rm grassroot lvl 2 remove. hw many death penalties wil dey giv..d whl lot of people governing us hav swiss bank a/c’s n black money stashed der.. which is helpin d swiss economy grow. instead if dat money wud stay in India god noes at wat rate r economy wud b growin den..
2. Abolishing 500-1000 Rs. notes is bullshit… its gonna end up causing a lot of inconvenience to the common man which is diff 2 imagine as akshay said sumwhr up der… yes it can help trackin dnw ppl stashin black money bt nt much .. only d small ppl new in dis kinda thing wud b able 2 get caught…d big players dnt stash money here..dey either send it 2 der swiss bank a/c’s or invest it in d international stock markets…no1’s ever gonna be able 2 track dwn dat money.. den wats d point..
3. the whl models/actresses being immoral… i dnt think ny1 4rm r generation wud accept dat kind of a snide opinion. evry1 is pretty open minded nw be it ppl’s lifestyles or d kind of clothes dey wear or whatever dey do ….its der wish… evry1 shud jst mind der own business n nt comment on ppl whom dey dnt evn noe personally… n I sort of take dis comment personally.. cuz I hav frnds who r now designers in d industry and I noe models n who participated in dese teen contests n all of dat… trust me dey were simple n dwn to earth people. No wear clsose 2 being immoral also… n dis im sayin cuz I personally noe dem n I noe dey’r nvr gonna b d ppl as described sum whr up der.. 2mr suppose if I decide 2 enter d modelling industry den if such rumours run bout me in public I dnt think il b affected much cuz il noe ppl talk dey need sumthin 2 talk bout.. my family n frnds wil noe d real me.. so der is no harm done 2 me d same way I really doubt all dese comments r taken srsly by dese actresses/models.. so many ppl talk hw many mounths wil dey close hw much wil dey justify demselves.. we ppl r taking dese comments srsly cuz v feel against dem n feel its not an opinion ny1 shud hav 4 dese ppl… …aftr all dey r d ppl who make movies gr8 which gt critically acclaimed by Hollywood directors…models who made it big on d paris fashion week..cummon all of that bring glory 2 r country nt ny1 else’s..
4. what does baba bring 2 r country… by fasting he’s cumin on national news, international news..news on d net.. all dis brings r country on a global platform free to be insulted by the whl world… evry1 actually wud laugh at wat is happening within dis country. Instead of sittin peacefully n sortin out matters dese ppl do things like fasts n take out morcha’s n den riots happen n d whl issue gets forgotten sumthin else only cums up..
5. I feel Anna Hazare did d biggest mistake of his life by joining dis fast… all d respect he had earned I think jst went dnw d drain..
6. dey chose a weekend 2 fast max ppl wil end up participatin n Monday onwards dis whl fast thing mite jst take a twist u nvr noe.. 😛
this was nyways my opinion, according 2 ppl I may hav said things wrng mayb Im offensive bt dis is wat I feel….
1. the whl death penalty 4 corruption is no way 2 kill corruption… i think if ur givin death penalty it’s gonna b 2 a vry high profile corruption case n den corruption is so huge dat eventually it’l find a way around d death penalty also…so its srsly nt gonna b much help.. n death penalty is no solution 2 corruption dats sumthin dat evry1 needs 2 wrk on 4rm grassroot lvl 2 remove. hw many death penalties wil dey giv..d whl lot of people governing us hav swiss bank a/c’s n black money stashed der.. which is helpin d swiss economy grow. instead if dat money wud stay in India god noes at wat rate r economy wud b growin den..
2. Abolishing 500-1000 Rs. notes is bullshit… its gonna end up causing a lot of inconvenience to the common man which is diff 2 imagine as akshay said sumwhr up der… yes it can help trackin dnw ppl stashin black money bt nt much .. only d small ppl new in dis kinda thing wud b able 2 get caught…d big players dnt stash money here..dey either send it 2 der swiss bank a/c’s or invest it in d international stock markets…no1’s ever gonna be able 2 track dwn dat money.. den wats d point..
3. the whl models/actresses being immoral… i dnt think ny1 4rm r generation wud accept dat kind of a snide opinion. evry1 is pretty open minded nw be it ppl’s lifestyles or d kind of clothes dey wear or whatever dey do ….its der wish… evry1 shud jst mind der own business n nt comment on ppl whom dey dnt evn noe personally… n I sort of take dis comment personally.. cuz I hav frnds who r now designers in d industry and I noe models n who participated in dese teen contests n all of dat… trust me dey were simple n dwn to earth people. No wear clsose 2 being immoral also… n dis im sayin cuz I personally noe dem n I noe dey’r nvr gonna b d ppl as described sum whr up der.. 2mr suppose if I decide 2 enter d modelling industry den if such rumours run bout me in public I dnt think il b affected much cuz il noe ppl talk dey need sumthin 2 talk bout.. my family n frnds wil noe d real me.. so der is no harm done 2 me d same way I really doubt all dese comments r taken srsly by dese actresses/models.. so many ppl talk hw many mounths wil dey close hw much wil dey justify demselves.. we ppl r taking dese comments srsly cuz v feel against dem n feel its not an opinion ny1 shud hav 4 dese ppl… …aftr all dey r d ppl who make movies gr8 which gt critically acclaimed by Hollywood directors…models who made it big on d paris fashion week..cummon all of that bring glory 2 r country nt ny1 else’s..
4. what does baba bring 2 r country… by fasting he’s cumin on national news, international news..news on d net.. all dis brings r country on a global platform free to be insulted by the whl world… evry1 actually wud laugh at wat is happening within dis country. Instead of sittin peacefully n sortin out matters dese ppl do things like fasts n take out morcha’s n den riots happen n d whl issue gets forgotten sumthin else only cums up..
5. I feel Anna Hazare did d biggest mistake of his life by joining dis fast… all d respect he had earned I think jst went dnw d drain..
6. dey chose a weekend 2 fast max ppl wil end up participatin n Monday onwards dis whl fast thing mite jst take a twist u nvr noe.. 😛
this was nyways my opinion, according 2 ppl I may hav said things wrng mayb Im offensive bt dis is wat I feel….
Akshay Chaturvedi detailed accolades later..i.e. after my exams, bt arushi,u came up with everythn i had wntd to rly say n explain. beautifully put down : ), in an amazn manner.
Arushi Srivastava sure thing… thanks.. 🙂
Om Sharma Nice discussion.. I just want to add one thing.. baba ramdev is having properties of around Rs.11000 crores, wt about dat?
Dhwani Sehgal if he’s busy accumulatin wealth just in the name of a good cause, he shud be the first one to surrender those properties.or get a death penalty for himself (:p).vultures neednt be pardoned.
Akshay Chaturvedi excellent point om sir. It is clearly visible that the Ramdev stunt was politically motivated… as arushi above pointed out,this shit would have created riots,worse,it might have led to a repeat of the ‘Emergency’ we had during the Indira regime.
Om Sharma If death penalty is the only punishment for curruption, then probably everyone of us wil get that, coz we all r currupt directly or indirectly in one way or the other.
Om Sharma Ramdev is himself giving so called “CHARITY” of crores of rupees to these politicians for getting favours and tax breaks for his business of Ayurvedic medicines.
Akshay Chaturvedi absolutely right sir..thats the point I have been screaming all along! Every single one of us is corrupt in some way or the other…
Akshay Chaturvedi its the system, which is unfair …. and wateve someone might say, its not that easy to change.. it demands a change at the grassroots …at macroeconomic policies and their implications…and then we can “think” of corruption ….
Apurav Maggu
1-) please go to google and write meaning of ‘point of view’ . go to first link on the page by free online dictionary. which mentions that something you observe and about somebody or something. please not the word OBSERVE.
2-) go to good type history of prostitution and type actor wiki. plzzz open the links of wikipedia not some random articles
First of all I must say quite a discussion guys ! 😛
the status is about baba ramdev’s fast against corruption,on this issue I completely agree with u Akshay ..the whole thing is purely politically motivated and I don’t find his ‘drama’ even worth commenting on !!
however what captured my interest was the discussion between u and ur friends (I am assuming most of them come from DU or equally good universities and are very much educated and logical individuals ) I am actually shocked at how some of us can have such strong opinions about people we don’t even know personally !!
before writing anything else,I want to make it clear that the opinions n views that have about the above discussion are not modernist, feminist or anti/pro corruption but humanitarian .
the status is about baba ramdev’s fast against corruption,on this issue I completely agree with u Akshay ..the whole thing is purely politically motivated and I don’t find his ‘drama’ even worth commenting on !!
however what captured my interest was the discussion between u and ur friends (I am assuming most of them come from DU or equally good universities and are very much educated and logical individuals ) I am actually shocked at how some of us can have such strong opinions about people we don’t even know personally !!
before writing anything else,I want to make it clear that the opinions n views that have about the above discussion are not modernist, feminist or anti/pro corruption but humanitarian .
1.Death punishment for corruption should not even be considered as an option,we are talking about living beings here…life and death are not a child’s play..a person never dies alone,there are always strings attached.Plus it would make the law-makers no different than murderers. The motto should be to kill crime and NOT CRIMINALS !
2.Criticizing actors and models for their lifestyle and calling most of them equivalent to prostitutes or sluts is just a reflection of how judgmental and narrow-minded we people still are…an individuals lifestyle n all of his/her personal affairs are choices which we have no right to comment upon.Everyone should just mind there own business and not sabotage anyone’s reputation without even knowing the person
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3.For people who are confused in there concepts,I would like to make it clear that prostitution is when someone sells their body for money …so having multiple partners does not make one a prostitute.
4.Someone said that people can’t be forced into prostitution as a profession..well an Indian should be well aware of the level of poverty in our country,people have no jobs,no money and hence no food…so the basic necessity to sustain oneself often forces a person to give into such a profession.Force does not necessarily means a person being raped or being a victim of human trafficking…ur circumstances can force u too !
Infact I belive prostitution should be legalized in India..!! It will earn the sex workers the respect they deserve as human being..irrespective of their profession n how morally
correct or incorrect people consider it…those people are still humans,they have their private lives just like all of us,they should be free to choose their own profession just like each one of us!
We are no one to judge anyones personal choices…until and unless an individuals decisions are harming us or the society..the person should be left alone and if we can not help being judgemental than atleast we should keep such ill views of ours to ourselves.
Akshay Chaturvedi wow chinkal! what an amazing post!! Agree with you on every single point,that you have elaborated so very well.. Accolades!! As for corruption or any damn thing for that matter..i just can’t get convinced abt life sentences, rape,murder and mass terrorism being exceptions. Life is VERY precious!!
Akshay Chaturvedi And its high time we grow mature as individuals,n stop associating sex with character! If at all, faith or betrayal, which are complete feelings in themselves,can be attributed to the aforesaid. And to just add, actors and models work ‘twice as hard’ .. they dun deserve this!
Apurav Maggu
see akshay the problem lies with the fact how deep the corruption is. when i first met you , you yourself told me your father works in media. which according to me doesn’t entail that much level of corruption. my father is govt. civil engineer. let me tell you something. he is forced to take bribes. even if he dosn’t want it and people start creating problems if you don’t take it. so he has take it. since he works with the govt. he knows how deep the problem is.
Apurav Maggu so the problem is that many people interpret corruption now as blood money and say that they should be hanged. you must also see the reason as to why we are saying they should be hanged. it is the angst against the govt. no body by law has power to do that. india even though running a pseudo-democracy and pseudo-law system but the law system is responsible
Apurav Maggu i appreciate supreme court how they got PJ thomas, kalmadi, raja, kanimozhi and others
Apurav Maggu but the money lost has not been brought back
Akshay Chaturvedi exactly right,thats what i said,its very deep,and the whole system is unfair,corruption being a small branch
Apurav Maggu do you know that a JNUprofessor on AIR radio said that if india spends 1/1000 the amount of offshore accounts then this illiteracy and unemployment problem will be solved
Apurav Maggu i have realized my mistake to hang them cuz u know the concept of corruption has been bollywoodized that is why we demand hangings and stufff. but see china. the country suffers from corruption too. this weoman zhyanjee has been hanged for money laundering. why can’t we act swiftly and you know wipe this problem once in for all
Akshay Chaturvedi True..i am in complete agreement. And yes, The Supreme Court is the only body,that we trust with utmost faith. Wish it was the case with police,govt,and all other organisations too.
Akshay Chaturvedi i am in agreement with the above points,but No, u shud nt even think of hanging! We better not compare with China. They might be developing,but the governance out there is shit!
Niharika Singhal quite an interestign convo!! i agree wit u Akshay Chaturvedi.. it is really illogical of him to say that homosexuals are mentally disturbed.. its their need n their choice.. and as far as actresses and models are concerned.. most of them lead a respectful and a good life..
Apurav Maggu akshay people give a shit who is ruling who is lawmaker who is the boss of you till the time you provide him essential like food and house and employment. so basically communism v/s democracy doesn’t arise
Apurav Maggu notice the usage of the word OBSERVE about someone or somebody
Niharika Singhal also, killing someone for corruption is the most insane thing that can be taken up.. i mean our country still doesnt approve of euthanesia coz we all know LIFE IS VALUABLE, so giving this kinda punishment is just out of question.
Apurav Maggu
2-) and the lives they live-agreed the lives they live is rocky with relationship instability with drugs and sex. So what they are living there lives. As a matter of fact we want that kind of life too. For eg. See any American SITCOM-like friends, CASTLE, how I met your mother, LAS VEGAS or for any fact any other AMERICAN SITCOM and ROMCOM. most of us the middle and elite class want to have lives like that. I don’t know about you but most of the people do. you can’t deny that. Even great historians have said that whenever there is cross of civilization a rigid form of civilization has a tendency to be attracted to a liberal one. Hate it deny it but you can’t run away from it.
Apurav Maggu so it is my future advice having a stalinist view is not advisable in a convo and i further recommend you please do some random background check before coming to any conclusion or for that matter any assumption
Niharika Singhal and guys lets not try to contradict each other rather just give our own opinions!! peace.
Apurav Maggu @niharika that sometimes exemplary punishment does create some amount of fear that a fiaithful law system is present in india
Apurav Maggu
you see
1-) harsgad mehta scam
2-) fodder scam
3-) bofors
4-)shoddy defence equpments like Night vision devices which led to death of 76 personnel in dantewada and not to mention the flying coffins or the MIG 21
5-)telgi
6-)adarsh
nothing has happened all these political honchos are free and roaming
1-) harsgad mehta scam
2-) fodder scam
3-) bofors
4-)shoddy defence equpments like Night vision devices which led to death of 76 personnel in dantewada and not to mention the flying coffins or the MIG 21
5-)telgi
6-)adarsh
nothing has happened all these political honchos are free and roaming
Dhwani Sehgal
apurav- yea i looked up the meaning of viewpoint. So. Baba has a right to hav a viewpoint right? Even if we dont agree with it.
Yea death is the harshest form of punishment. Like chinkal said, target shud be d crime not the criminal. It seems very very theoretical though its correct. If it can be done, great!
N yes. One more thing. Not everyone would necessarily want to hav an unstable life full of sex n drugs yaar. Its our choice. I like watchin those shows because of reasons like they’r fun to watch n have unique concepts n storylines, unlike many of our shows. But. I love my stable life. 🙂
Comin back to baba. My point is that i dont think there’s any need to declare him a fool just because our opinions dont match his. And. Since i had not been watchin tv due to exams, i missed all his dramas. So i made no comments on that. Abhi bhi m not fully updated abt what all happened n what all diff ppl’v said during this ann shun. But from what lil i know, baba’s probably doin all this to further his political interests. If thats it, then its really sad. Also, i gotta know abt some facts. Like, although he encourages swadeshi stuff n says that foreign things are expensive, his own ayurvedic products are also not cheap. The ayurveda doctors workin at patanjali only focus on increasing the sale of patanjali medicines n not on curing the patients (a known doctor resigned from there within a week due to this). Baba owns an island somewher outside india. God knows where a SWAMI would get all that money from n for how many Indians’ welfare its gonna be used. Although he says indians shud be proud of it. A corrupt person tryin to gain political mileage by misusing ppl’s sentiments on d the corruption issue is sick. IF he’s really doin i he shud be ashamed of his actions n stop bein two faced.
Yea death is the harshest form of punishment. Like chinkal said, target shud be d crime not the criminal. It seems very very theoretical though its correct. If it can be done, great!
N yes. One more thing. Not everyone would necessarily want to hav an unstable life full of sex n drugs yaar. Its our choice. I like watchin those shows because of reasons like they’r fun to watch n have unique concepts n storylines, unlike many of our shows. But. I love my stable life. 🙂
Comin back to baba. My point is that i dont think there’s any need to declare him a fool just because our opinions dont match his. And. Since i had not been watchin tv due to exams, i missed all his dramas. So i made no comments on that. Abhi bhi m not fully updated abt what all happened n what all diff ppl’v said during this ann shun. But from what lil i know, baba’s probably doin all this to further his political interests. If thats it, then its really sad. Also, i gotta know abt some facts. Like, although he encourages swadeshi stuff n says that foreign things are expensive, his own ayurvedic products are also not cheap. The ayurveda doctors workin at patanjali only focus on increasing the sale of patanjali medicines n not on curing the patients (a known doctor resigned from there within a week due to this). Baba owns an island somewher outside india. God knows where a SWAMI would get all that money from n for how many Indians’ welfare its gonna be used. Although he says indians shud be proud of it. A corrupt person tryin to gain political mileage by misusing ppl’s sentiments on d the corruption issue is sick. IF he’s really doin i he shud be ashamed of his actions n stop bein two faced.
Apurav Maggu see @dhwani even if he is doing for political agenda so what ? it signifies one thing that indians are not some sheep who can be misguided we have brains
Apurav Maggu @dhwani when i refrred to that celebrity thing i didn’t mean the drugs part but yeah move past the story lines it is what we want with us. even though you are saying you don’t want to you too and most people would agree with me.
Apurav Maggu
as i said political agenda doesn’t matter what matter is the people partcicpation. when colonel stauffenberg wanted to dethrone Nazi germany’s meglomaniac adolf hitler through a coup de etat, the coup organizer Dr. goerdner had political agenda to become chancellor of germany. nobody to this date denies this but it was seen as people’s movement although a person had some intention to further his political intrest yet they say it was a people’s movement. so what if he has any agenda but seeing the participation one can say that people are participating . they are coming on there own not through beer or whisky but through a guilty conscience which says enough is enough
Dhwani Sehgal
Dear Chinkal. What i said abt ppl is what i’v concluded from stuff i hear from friends who’v seen how things work there, what some of the celebs have actually said abt themselves on national tv.
Also. If u read my comments carefully, i have nowhere called any actor a prostitute. (pls read what i said. I had to tell d same thing to akshay again n again yest. Stop accusin me of sayin things which i havent said) I know they are not selling their bodies, thanks. I was just telling akshay abt the history of film industry in India, ie how almost all of the early actresses were ex-tavaaifs. And. This is the truth!! AND also. I just pointed out that a lot of (not all) actors n celebs today hav a similar lifestyle. Which i dont approve of. But obviously they are free to do whatever they want to. So dont worry. I dont even care what they do cuz my life’s good with or without it.
M sorry if m rude. But. My view is my view. Ur calling it ‘ill’ wont stop me from voicing it. If i feel strongly abt somethin n i want to voice them, i will. So. 🙂
Also. I think we give diff meanings to ‘modern’, ‘educated’ n ‘logical thinking’. The whole perspective is different. So lets leave it at that 🙂
Also. If u read my comments carefully, i have nowhere called any actor a prostitute. (pls read what i said. I had to tell d same thing to akshay again n again yest. Stop accusin me of sayin things which i havent said) I know they are not selling their bodies, thanks. I was just telling akshay abt the history of film industry in India, ie how almost all of the early actresses were ex-tavaaifs. And. This is the truth!! AND also. I just pointed out that a lot of (not all) actors n celebs today hav a similar lifestyle. Which i dont approve of. But obviously they are free to do whatever they want to. So dont worry. I dont even care what they do cuz my life’s good with or without it.
M sorry if m rude. But. My view is my view. Ur calling it ‘ill’ wont stop me from voicing it. If i feel strongly abt somethin n i want to voice them, i will. So. 🙂
Also. I think we give diff meanings to ‘modern’, ‘educated’ n ‘logical thinking’. The whole perspective is different. So lets leave it at that 🙂
Dhwani Sehgal
apurav- i just love love love the amt of knowledge u hav 😀 😀 would love to meet u someday! Anyways 🙂 Yes i agree, if he has a political agenda alongwith a true desire to curb corruption-good, no harm. But what i dont like abt it is that his own actions n intentions SEEM to be corrupt. So, if his no-corruption stance is just become a tool to get votes, then we dont need a new party in d mkt. We already hav a lotta parties making false promises.
Apurav Maggu see indian people have a tendency of forgetting things very quickly as if nothing happened. but after anna hazare people supporting baba is a good thing. the man may be wrong but let us not forget what he did to india REVOLUTIONIZING YOGA. CORRUPTION MATTER IS STILL IN THE COURT IF ANY. we can’t make any accusation unless he is convicted now can we.
Apurav Maggu we have to sit and wait what happens next. he has joined the ranks of some people who belong to RSS (the deadly saffron terror outfit) but do we have to be so judgmental and make any assumption ?
Dhwani Sehgal yaar yehi toh problem hai. Do influential ppl get convicted that easily?
Dhwani Sehgal umm.. Being judgemental is tiring u know. Akshay’s status has around 110 comments.. 😀
But being judgemental is natural to human beings isnt it? 😀 😀
But being judgemental is natural to human beings isnt it? 😀 😀
Om Sharma
History tells us that males had a tradition of having multiple wives (or u can say multiple partners), and females at that time were just not more than child producung machines and a tool of entertainment for males. But when now we are talking about of equality of males and females, then equality includes this thing also that they can have multiple partners, like in male dominant society these males have! if this is wrong, then it should be wrong for males as well, y we always talk about female’s character always?, when male character is the same since ages!
Akshay Chaturvedi dhwani,it is wrong to accuse somebody else’s lifestyle,wen u dun even know them personally,and your ‘view’ is based on hearsay. apurav gave a link above,actresses were nt sluts,check ur facts frm a reliable source liki wiki.
I would ‘urge’ you to read arushi n chinkal’s views,n then say. Kindly measure up your arguments against what arushi said..she matched every word!
I would ‘urge’ you to read arushi n chinkal’s views,n then say. Kindly measure up your arguments against what arushi said..she matched every word!
Akshay Chaturvedi Om Sir,males or females,my point is that character ‘can not’ and ‘should not’ be judged by physical preferences. There is a thin line differentiating it all though. Doing that by breaking someone’s faith,may question character,but we can’t afford to judge it otherwise. As chinkal said, having multiple partners is not being a slut.
An Malik been long since i read the replies to this one… and man phew it would take a lot of time to go through each one of them…..
An Malik
just one last thing…. corruption didnt spread in one day neither would it go in one day……. it is a system and systematic changes take a lot of time……. no such drastic measures would help, but that does not mean that voices should not be raised and demonstrations should not happen…….. what these things do is that they change the view point of the source (read the people who give money) of corruption… 1) due to these negative news market sentiments get hurt which in turn makes the businesses suffer (most big companies are public companies)…. 2) this in turn makes foreign investor more cautious and hence flow of money gets reduced… 3) this hurts business…… so all in all it was business who brought corruption and it would be business again who would remove it…. would take time and i mean a lot of time but it is a part and parcel of a developing economy…
An Malik p.s.: if anyone says there is no corruption in china… i would be more than interested to enlighten you… may be in daily life one doesn’t see corruption in china but boy the kind of bribery which goes over in china its huge… all the export business 100$ item is stamped as 10$ for tax evasion…
An Malik and yes… people like baba ramdev, love it or hate it, we need them.. they give a face to the movement…. just like our honorable prime minister who gives an awesome face to the government…… humans do not always function only on logic.. sub-consciously there are many things which affect the decisions…
An Malik is there some place where i can check which is the most commented individual post on facebook….? just a thought 😉
Akshay Chaturvedi
haha .. An Malik , I don’t think there is!! ……. Brother, I would just like to add on to what you have just said. Agreed,that we need a ‘face’ , but just think of what consequences this could have led to…. a possible riot,and we both know what one riot can do to this country. God forbid, it can create a terrible stir and start riots all over the nation and the whole issue would not have remained important , but the ill consequences would have led to huge huge problems!!!
Akshay Chaturvedi Apurav Maggu I strongly DISAGREE on what you have said towards the end..
An Malik
i have a few doubts about whether there was really a very high probability for riots…. more often than not, general public is not involved in riots, the group of goons are, now these goons have to be there from both the sides for riots to take place, but due to various state elections, the current governments in those states would not have let this happen… though I am not denying that it could not happen, but Indians by nature are more incline towards this satyagrah kind of thing…. most of the riots post independence have been communal in nature and there was nothing communal this time
An Malik and yes i do need more clarity about how this could have lead to riots and what is the mentality when riots go on, so i may be completely wrong in my last post… do need to read about it
Akshay Chaturvedi Apurav Maggu What you are giving the name of ‘revolution; is nowhere close to it! My dear friend,these aren’t revolutions, but “mass fooling” !! A revolution, or a ‘kranti’ as we Indians call it…is not run or even stirred up like this. THIS, my dear friend, is utter trash!!!
Akshay Chaturvedi An Malik … Bro, the govt (which was obviously wrong in its stance) have beaten up people! My Mom just showed me pictures where women are being carried off by policemen, ‘unconscious women’, that is…. what did coming up on Baba’s clarion call give to these innocent people, who came from as far as Maharashtra and Tamil Nadu. The Baba himself ran away in women’s clothes!!!
An Malik
i may not be ideal in whatever i have to say, but would try to be practical…. the one at the bottom of the pyramid (food chain call it whatever) has the least chance of survival… people like us chose the government because we do not have a choice of “I do not wan to vote for any of the above candidates” on the voting machine… then when all this fiasco happened, people thought it would be in their interest to come and join it… but again being at the bottom they were the first to face the brunt… remember akshay no one remembers the name of thousands and lakhs who lost their lives for independence but we do remember mahatma gandhi (who, well according to some people had dubious credentials, but no one can take away the fact that he was the one who read the minds of people and created sucha huge movement…)
An Malik
and yes i do not completely agree wid baba nor do i completely disagree.. .nothing is black and white, since we humans have complicated the world so much, everything is grey… i do like somethings about baba and do not like other things… i do not “KNOW” whether 1100 crore worth is by fraud or not but i do support the movement.. if he is a fraud then please be my guest, implement same standards and rules for everyone charge him and put him behind the bars, i care the least… but then apply those rules to everyone……
Akshay Chaturvedi
”Those who heard,in parts or in full,Baba Ramdev’s recent day-long discourse at the Ramlila Maidan in Delhi, would have heard the words ‘kala dhan’ and ‘bhrashtaachar’ (black money and corruption), as well as the words ‘dharam’ and ‘imandari’ (morality and honesty). I heard them too, but I also heard words that were more telling. These were “mein apne media ke bhaiyon se kehna chahta hoon’, a phrase that recurred often, perhaps half a dozen times an hour. I was ‘characteristic’ that Ramdev sought to address the media above all and ‘characteristic also that his ‘social imagination’ excluded the possibility of women reporters… !!
Akshay Chaturvedi An Malik …. we cannot compare Gandhiji here : ).. Though I agree on almost all the points that you have made and they are correct in all possible senses, but in today’s India, things are radically different.. I will just write down an example..
Akshay Chaturvedi
There is a photograph at the Second Round Table Conference in London, which shows every person in the room looking at the camera except Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi. The maharajas, the leaders of the Depressed Classes and the Muslim League, the officers of His Majesty’s Governement—all have their face turned at the photographer. Not Gandhiji, who sits in his chair, wrapped in a shawl, looking downwards at the table, waiting for the tamasha to end and the discussion on India’s political future to resume…
An Malik no no.. i didnt compare gandhiji wid baba ramdev.. would never do that… but i am comparing the movements led by individuals and the defamations, accusations which such individuals have against their names… these accusations do not mar the movement…
An Malik again as i said in my second post of the day… slowly and steadily it is the business who brought corruption and it would be the business who would drive away corruption.. but such movements are important for that to happen… going off now have a meeting, i hope would not have a plethora of comments to go through when a come back :P.. and akshay man why dont u start a movement, u have a following i must say…
Akshay Chaturvedi An Malik ..lol…no no….all the people who commented here are confident, diverse individuals…. some working at big companies, some college students like me, a CA topper and a guy who has the best possible knowledge on anything and everything….. …. Coincidentally, all of you wonderful people are my friends, and that has made this a very beautiful and healthy discussion….
Akshay Chaturvedi I picked up those facts from Ramchandra Guha’s Article…. amazing one…
Akshay Chaturvedi Gandhi’s critics complained that he was a saint who was trying to become a politician. He answered that he was a politician who was trying to become a saint. In that self deprecatory remark lay a solid core of truth.
Akshay Chaturvedi Gandhi’s main work, in the public domain, was to fight for India’s freedom, for justice for women and low castes, and for harmony among different religions. But to him, the moral and spiritual life was equally important, this conducted privately, in his ashram, and often against the frailties and imperfections of his own self.
Sonakshi Nayyar
omg there are just so many comments !! and so many of individual opinions to go through! must i say everyone is right in whatever they said ..everyone does have a view point and so does baba ramdev..i am not saying that he is either right or wrong all i am saying is that he stood up for a cause which not everyone does…and see his image has also been tarnished! what did he get out of it? yes some of the demands like you mentioned are irrational but he stood up..!
Sonakshi Nayyar keeping him aside the issue which he has raised is more important !
Akshay Chaturvedi @sonakshi he stood up only for himself..he was addressing the media there…. every sentence started with “main apne media bhaiyon ko kehna chahunga” …and in the end, instead of being with the people who had stood up for him,just for faith, he ran away…
An Malik not directly related to above post.. but read it, pretty interesting if everything is true in dis: http://www.facebook.com/notes/salil-shukla/rahul-gandhi-exposed-by-an-iit-student/10150193649286555
Akshay Chaturvedi For everyone who took a part in this discussion, I appeal you to read what An Malik above has just shared! Its unbelievable..and true!!
Jatin Juneja though i m not supporting so called “baba” here….but what the govt. has done is not justified in any sense……beating women and children at 1 is complete shit n we r silent seeing dis dictatorship……i do not support baba for his corruption thing but yes he did a good work of letting ppl know that govt. can use any resort to hide their corruptive actions!!
Akshay Chaturvedi agreed. The Govt’s move was pathetic,terribly disgusting!
Dhwani Sehgal yup… n i watched baba on news today. he’s startin a SENA! bloody hell. some days back he said he’s a sanyaasi n doesnt want any fight n he wants to have a “shanti k saath samaadhaan” ab india mein pata ni kya hoga!
Chinkal Doda
Dhwani I am genuinely sorry if my comment offended u or anyone else,it was not my intention.when I said ‘ill views of ourselves’ , I meant the whole society including myself. I just believe that we do not have any right to judge anyone because we are all just equal,only human…no one is superior than the other,no1’s choice can be termed beter than the other..
u mentioned that almost all of the early actresses were ex-tavaaifs , it might be true given that during those days women from the so called nice families weren’t allowed to work outside home ,leave alone become actresses ! But my point here is so what if they were ‘ex-tavaaifs’…v don’t know what made them choose the profession so we should not disrespect them.
and about some actors having a particular kind of lifestyle does not give us the freedom of assuming things about their character and integrity,infact nothing gives a person the reason enough to pinpoint at some1’s character…the way an individual wants to lead his/her life is a personal choice.
Its just my view , I would never think bad about a person on the basis of their profession, their lifestyle and how they choose to live their life because I consider it unethical on my part.
Ofcourse i ,or anybody for that matter, can not stop u from voicing ur opinion…we are free citizens of a free country but with freedom comes responsibility ; we all should make sure that our views and opinions are not too harsh and that they do not hurt other people’s sentiments.
I hope i wasn’t rude and i didn’t offend u in anyway 🙂
u mentioned that almost all of the early actresses were ex-tavaaifs , it might be true given that during those days women from the so called nice families weren’t allowed to work outside home ,leave alone become actresses ! But my point here is so what if they were ‘ex-tavaaifs’…v don’t know what made them choose the profession so we should not disrespect them.
and about some actors having a particular kind of lifestyle does not give us the freedom of assuming things about their character and integrity,infact nothing gives a person the reason enough to pinpoint at some1’s character…the way an individual wants to lead his/her life is a personal choice.
Its just my view , I would never think bad about a person on the basis of their profession, their lifestyle and how they choose to live their life because I consider it unethical on my part.
Ofcourse i ,or anybody for that matter, can not stop u from voicing ur opinion…we are free citizens of a free country but with freedom comes responsibility ; we all should make sure that our views and opinions are not too harsh and that they do not hurt other people’s sentiments.
I hope i wasn’t rude and i didn’t offend u in anyway 🙂
Dhwani Sehgal like apurav said, it was one heavy debate.for me at least. 😀 😀
Apurav Maggu
Akshay Chaturvedi i read that post by An malik, ihave read that post a dozen times . i want to ask just 1 question do we have other option besides congress.they may be the most corrupt govt of the world yet still let me tell you a little abt each and every political party
BJP-no need to mention
BSP- mayawati needs no introduction
left- the most anti- people party i have seen. (being a communist or socialist or a labour party doesn’t mean that you have to be anti-industry it simply means you have to be pro-labour which was infact the opposite. you see bengal sunken in debt crisis. kerela-great standard of living poor in terms of providing a conducive environment for buisness to grow up.
SP-no need to mention. they were against the ayodhya judgment even though quiet a lot of muslims were happy and was going for ann shann near jantar mantar after the judgment.
BJP-no need to mention
BSP- mayawati needs no introduction
left- the most anti- people party i have seen. (being a communist or socialist or a labour party doesn’t mean that you have to be anti-industry it simply means you have to be pro-labour which was infact the opposite. you see bengal sunken in debt crisis. kerela-great standard of living poor in terms of providing a conducive environment for buisness to grow up.
SP-no need to mention. they were against the ayodhya judgment even though quiet a lot of muslims were happy and was going for ann shann near jantar mantar after the judgment.
Apurav Maggu you see it is like chossing the lesser evil.
Apurav Maggu
coming back to the point where you disagreed that you beleive Baba is a sham. now let me tell you some basic assumptions as to why you are thinking this whole thing might be a sham
1-) babas off the track demands
2-)baba’s multi billion dollar empire
3-) baba looks fake (this is one of the concept that is inbuilt in our mind as people form an image of the person the moment they see how you talk and he talks like a ladyish version of MOGAMBO.
1-) babas off the track demands
2-)baba’s multi billion dollar empire
3-) baba looks fake (this is one of the concept that is inbuilt in our mind as people form an image of the person the moment they see how you talk and he talks like a ladyish version of MOGAMBO.
Apurav Maggu well aksahy i know deep down inside my heart he may be a sham but still having an empire and having some demands which are basically illogical do you think we should form an assumption just on that basis .i mean don’t you think we should at least give him a chance.
Apurav Maggu i belive baba-illogical demands-1000 crore empire-anna hazare only. what more do we want he made yoga a house hold name. he took india to the wold. he prooved how people like bikram who preach bikram yoga are sham. what else more do we or can we want ?
Apurav Maggu * i belive baba-illogical demands-1000 crore empire=anna hazare only
Apurav Maggu i know i am further extending this debate for no reason as people might think but i believe in some things strongly. so i am standing up for them. :))
An Malik
@Apurav, it is not about choosing the lesser evil, what we are doing is choosing the lesser ( i am not confident that it is the lesser evil) and forgetting about it…… those people whose voices matter are not shown in the limelight in media… media would focus on ramdev because government also knows that the man does not have the facts with him to uproot the government…. if any of you can spare around and hour this would be a good video:http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/12954399
An Malik and about the other option… yeah even I am confused about it and that is the reason these days I am writing letters to various learned people asking the same question: what is the other option?
Akshay Chaturvedi ”With freedom,comes responsibility” ..very true Chinkal Doda
Akshay Chaturvedi nice video An Malik !!
Akshay Chaturvedi
See Apurav Maggu and An Malik .. I agree..that WE BADLY NEED people like Baba…but there are other civil society representatives…who really get into this for “the sake of people”, who can really do us good, like Meera H Sanyal …. Hopeyou know about the Meera Sanyal for South Mumbai thing…. but these amazing people lost becaose of us…because we Indians tend to get ficle minded…. and when our vote really matters, we come up with absurd reasons… She lost to a Congress MP…. Was it necessary to choose a “lesser evil” in this case, when we already had an outstanding candidate from the civil society, who was one of us, take up our case ??
An Malik
Akshay Chaturvedi mere dost, MAJORITY is ignorant and I do not blame them, it does take a little extra effort to know more.. Infact i count myself in that ignorant lot… Now humans tend to get influenced by things/words which are shown to them again and again and again……. so if congress has the most wealth it is obvious that their election campaigns would be the most flourishing and present everywhere……… this is what draws votes… marketing….
Akshay Chaturvedi
Apurav Maggu Brother,I do not for a second doubt Baba Ramdev’s credentials in making India proud through yoga and his remedies for diseases really work!! ………. On a lighter note, I would like to share that I am a regularly drink the ayurvedic cough syrup which comes from his ashram, coz when all failed, it was his medicine that helped me get relief and come out of pain : )) , but my dear friend, he ruined his image by being so critical of females, which spoiled his image in my eyes… and what he is doing now…..well,we’ve already had a huge debate around it,haven’t we 🙂
True An Malik …. I agree cent percent on that. We are ignorant and it often becomes “all that glitters is gold ” for us….. but we need to change..
So…here it is!!!! Hope you loved reading this 🙂 ( for the rare breed who actually took the pain of reading the “entire” thing )
One of the best debates I led and took part in… and soon after this discussion.. I graduated 🙂
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